{"id":1703,"date":"2018-03-05T11:31:46","date_gmt":"2018-03-05T19:31:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/myagpeya.com\/blog\/?p=1703"},"modified":"2022-10-19T17:30:02","modified_gmt":"2022-10-20T00:30:02","slug":"qa-atonement","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/myagpeya.com\/blog\/qa-atonement\/","title":{"rendered":"Questions &#038; Answers on Atonement"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New. To deny God&#8217;s condemnation for sin and present Him only as a loving Father sounds appealing, but is not Orthodox at all. To do so would be to promote a form of the heretical doctrine of Marcionism.\u00a0Marcion considered the God of the Old Testament who punished sin, to be a separate inferior &#8220;god&#8221; from the loving God of the New Testament.\u00a0 Marcionism was condemned in the 2nd Century by the Early Church. Below are some common questions and answers in regards to the topic of atonement.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: Wasn&#8217;t the idea that the cross represented a judgment\/punishment for sin which Christ endured as a &#8220;substitute&#8221; for sinners, absent from the Church before Anselm of Canterbury?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong> This is a myth. For the first 1000 years before Anselm, both Eastern and Western Church fathers explained explicitly that Christ bore the &#8220;wrath&#8221; of God and &#8220;curse&#8217; of the Law on behalf of sinners as their &#8220;substitute&#8221; and &#8220;exchange&#8221;. The word of &#8220;ransom&#8221; is repeated in scripture multiple times in regards to our redemption. A ransom denotes an &#8220;exchange&#8221;&#8211; that is to save someone via the exchange or &#8220;substitution&#8221; of something (or someone) else. The church fathers explained &#8220;ransom&#8221; to mean that Christ gave his body for our bodies and soul for our souls as an exchange and substitute for all, to satisfy the penalty of death:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;For He did not die as being Himself liable to death: He suffered for us, and<strong> bore in Himself the wrath that was the penalty of our transgression<\/strong>, even as Isaiah says, Himself bore our weaknesses.&#8221; &#8211;\u00a0St. Athanasius (296 &#8211; 373 AD) &#8211; Letter to Marcellinus\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;But it was not possible to pay one thing <strong>as a ransom in exchange<\/strong> for a different thing on the contrary. He gave body for body, and soul for soul, and a perfect existence for the whole of man : <strong>this is Christ&#8217;s exchange<\/strong>, which the Jews, the foes of life, insulted at the crucifixion&#8221; &#8211; St. Athanasius (Contra Apollinarium,\u00a01.17)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: Isn&#8217;t the Orthodox view that God deals with us as children and not as &#8220;criminals&#8221; as if in a court room?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer: <\/strong>Yes, but we must not forget how we attained this grace of adoption as children of God, and not erroneously deny God&#8217;s condemnation for sin, as per the Law.\u00a0Prior to the cross, sinners were bound by legal ordinances of the Law, subject to curse and condemnation for sin. Prior to the grace of the New Testament, those who blasphemed, committed adultery, cursed parents, etc. were put to death as criminals without mercy under the Law of Moses. This Law was put in place by God. Thus, to argue that God does not punish and only deals with us as children, is to argue that God changes and\/or that the God of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament.\u00a0Indeed we are under grace and not under the Law through Christ, but this only the case for those who enjoy the heavenly citizenship by adoption as children of God, through and baptism. But this grace was only given after Christ redeemed sinners from the curse of the Law, having suffered the accursed death of the cross (<a class=\"rtBibleRef\" href=\"https:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/nkjv\/Gal%203.13\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-reference=\"Gal 3.13\" data-version=\"nkjv\" data-purpose=\"bible-reference\">Galatians 3:13<\/a>) on their behalf. This was only possible after Christ cancelled<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><em>\u201cthe record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross<\/em>\u00a0(<em><a class=\"rtBibleRef\" href=\"https:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/nkjv\/Col%202.13-14\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-reference=\"Col 2.13-14\" data-version=\"nkjv\" data-purpose=\"bible-reference\">Colossians 2:13-14<\/a>).\u201d<\/em>\u00a0Prior to this, God\u00a0\u201cbound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.\u201d (<a class=\"rtBibleRef\" href=\"https:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/nkjv\/Rom%2011.32\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-reference=\"Rom 11.32\" data-version=\"nkjv\" data-purpose=\"bible-reference\">Romans 11:32<\/a>).\u00a0Apart from this grace of adoption, whoever denies Christ, \u201cthe wrath of God abides on him\u201d (<a class=\"rtBibleRef\" href=\"https:\/\/biblia.com\/bible\/nkjv\/John%203.36\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-reference=\"John 3.36\" data-version=\"nkjv\" data-purpose=\"bible-reference\">John 3:36<\/a>). St. Athanasius explained that prior to the cross, death gained a\u00a0<em>\u201clegal\u201d<\/em>\u00a0hold over us and it was impossible to evade the law because it was laid down by God for transgression, and God\u2019s word could not be broken:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;For\u00a0<strong>death<\/strong>, as I said above,\u00a0<strong>gained\u00a0from that <em>time<\/em> forth a legal hold over us<\/strong>, and it was\u00a0<strong>impossible to evade the law, since it\u00a0had been laid down by God\u00a0<\/strong>because of the transgression, and the result was in truth at\u00a0once monstrous and unseemly. For\u00a0<strong>it were monstrous, firstly, that God, having spoken,\u00a0should prove false<\/strong>\u2014that, when once He had ordained that man, if he transgressed the\u00a0commandment, should die the death, after the transgression man should not die,\u00a0<strong>but God\u2019s\u00a0word should be broken.&#8221; <\/strong>&#8212;\u00a0St. Athanasius (On the Incarnation of the Word)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Thus, those who deny the juridical element to our redemption, not only imply that the God of the New Testament is a different God from the God of the Old Testament, but also deny how we were transitioned from the condemnation of the Law to grace, as children of God through Christ.\u00a0<em>For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17)<\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: If Christ died &#8220;instead of us&#8221;, whey do we still die?<br \/>\nAnswer:<\/strong><br \/>\nThose who deny Christ&#8217;s substitutionary death often ask this question rhetorically (as if they have made some brilliant argument): <em>&#8220;If Christ died &#8216;instead&#8217; of us, why do we still die?&#8221; <\/em>But their argument is quickly invalidated simply by turning the same question back on them: <em>&#8220;If Christ conquered death by death, why do we still die?&#8221;<\/em> For to persist in denying substitutionary atonement on grounds that we still die physically, would also invalidate belief that Christ conquered death by death, since either way, we still die physically. Yet even if we do still die physically (until the resurrection of our bodies at the Second Coming), the physical death we die is no longer called &#8220;death&#8221;, but is called &#8220;sleep&#8221; or departure, on account of the Lord&#8217;s death instead of us:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cDo we no longer die that death?\u00a0<strong>We do indeed die, but we do not continue in it: which is not to die at all.<\/strong> For the tyranny of death, and death indeed, is when he who dies is never more allowed to return to life. <strong>But when after dying is living, and that a better life, this is not death, but sleep.<\/strong>\u00a0Since then death was to have possession of all, therefore He died that He might deliver us. &#8211; St. John Chrysostom (Homilies on the Epistle to the Hebrews)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Also as St. Cyril explained:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> For henceforth, by the death of Christ, <strong>death for us has been transformed, in a manner, into sleep, with like power and functions.<\/strong> For we are alive unto God, and shall live for evermore, to the Scriptures. <strong>Therefore, also, the blessed Paul, in a variety of places, calls those asleep who have died in Christ&#8230;<\/strong>we were transformed into His Image, and <strong>undergo, as it were, a different kind of death, that does not dissolve us in eternal corruption, but casts upon us a slumber which is laden with fair hope, after the Likeness of Him Who has made this new path for us, that is, Christ. &#8211; <\/strong>St. Cyril of Alexandria (Gospel According to St. John, Book XII)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Additionally Christ died <em>&#8220;instead of us&#8221;<\/em> in the sense that He died the accursed death of the cross, so that even when we die physically now until the general resurrection, our death is blessed in the Lord. In other words, Christ died the accursed death of the cross to take away the curse of the Law and condemnation of death, so that death for the saints is a blessing, not a curse:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>For\u00a0no longer now do we die as subject to condemnation<\/strong>; but\u00a0as men who rise from the dead we await the general\u00a0resurrection of all, &#8220;which in its own times he shall&#8221; show,&#8221; even God, who has also wrought it, and\u00a0bestowed it upon us&#8230;Why, now that the common Saviour of all has died on\u00a0our behalf, we, the faithful in Christ, no longer die the\u00a0death as before, agreeably to the warning of the law;\u00a0<strong>for this condemnation has ceased<\/strong>; but, corruption ceasing and being put away by the grace of the Resurrection,\u00a0henceforth we are only dissolved, agreeably to our bodies&#8217;\u00a0mortal nature, at the time God has fixed for each, that\u00a0we may be able to gain a better resurrection. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Interestingly, such a question exposes a lack of comprehension that it was not only to save us from physical death that Christ died <em>&#8220;instead of us&#8221;<\/em>,\u00a0 but even more importantly, from spiritual death:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>He in our stead paid our debts:<\/strong> He bore our sins; and as it is written, <strong>&#8220;in our stead He was stricken.&#8221;<\/strong> &#8220;He took them up in His own body on the tree:&#8221; for it is true that &#8220;by His bruises we are healed.&#8221;\u00a0He too was <strong>sick because\u00a0of our sins<\/strong>,<strong> and we are delivered from the sicknesses of the soul.<\/strong> &#8211; St. Cyril of Alexandria (Gospel According to St. Luke)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Thus, because the Lord died instead of us the cursed death of disobedience on the cross, we are liberated from the curse of sin and corruption of death. We have hope of partaking of the first resurrection, which is the resurrection of the soul from sin, as well as of the second resurrection which is resurrection of the body. Thus Christ&#8217;s death saved us from physical as well as spiritual death, even if we fall asleep now in the Lord until <em>&#8220;the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.&#8221; (1 Cor 15:26)<\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: &#8220;Does the Bible teaches that God poured His wrath, hatred and indignation upon Jesus on the Cross?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong>\u00a0No one said God poured out &#8220;hatred&#8221;. This is a misrepresentation propagated by those who promote Neo-Marcionism. God loves the world (John 3:16), but condemns sin. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) and<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;<strong>Cursed<\/strong> is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.&#8221;\u00a0(Deuteronomy 27:26).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">God&#8217;s word cannot be broken merely on account of His love for us. The cross satisfied God&#8217;s truth and judgement regarding sin as well as manifested His love. For this reason scripture says:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;I will sing of<strong> mercy and judgment<\/strong>: unto thee, O LORD, will I sing.&#8221; (Psalm 101:1)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;The <strong>chastisement of our peace<\/strong> was upon Him&#8221; (Isaiah 53:5)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Regarding Christ, scripture also says:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\">You have put me in the lowest pit, in the darkest depths. <strong>Your<\/strong> <strong>wrath<\/strong> lies heavily on me&#8221; (Psalm 88:6-9)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">&#8220;Jesus told them, &#8220;for it is written: &#8220;<strong>&#8216;I will strike the shepherd<\/strong>, and the sheep will be scattered.&#8217; (<\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Mark 14:27)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we <strong>shall be <span class=\"_4yxo\">saved from wrath<\/span> through him.<\/strong> (<span class=\"_4yxo\">Romans 5:8-9)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;For He did not die as being Himself liable to death: He suffered for us, and<strong> bore in Himself the wrath that was the penalty of our transgression<\/strong>, even as Isaiah says, Himself bore our weaknesses.&#8221; &#8211;\u00a0St. Athanasius (296 &#8211; 373 AD) &#8211; Letter to Marcellinus\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: Doesn&#8217;t the word <em>&#8220;justice&#8221;<\/em> mean &#8220;righteousness&#8221; with regard to God, and not judgement or retribution of God? Isn&#8217;t a juridical understanding of the word &#8220;justice&#8221; foreign to the early Church fathers, and is only a pollution of Western\/Protestant theology?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Answer: No. Depending on the context, the church fathers used the word <em>&#8220;justice&#8221;<\/em> to speak of God\u2019s righteousness or goodness, as well as God&#8217;s judgment, punishment, and retribution for sin. In addressing heresies, St. Irenaeus explained that God\u2019s goodness must also be accompanied with <em>&#8220;exercise of justice&#8221; (judicial)<\/em>. Otherwise, God would be deprived of the true characters of deity:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>St. Irenaeus (130 \u2013 202 AD) \u2013 Against Heresies<\/strong><br \/>\nFor he that is the\u00a0<strong>judicial<\/strong>\u00a0one, if he be not\u00a0<strong>good<\/strong>,\u00a0<strong>is not God,<\/strong>\u00a0because he from whom goodness is absent is\u00a0<strong>no God at all;\u00a0and again, he who is\u00a0good, if he has no\u00a0judicial\u00a0power, suffers the same [loss] as the former, by being\u00a0deprived of his character of deity<\/strong>&#8230;For He is <strong>good<\/strong>, and\u00a0<strong>merciful<\/strong>, and patient, and saves whom He ought: nor does goodness desert Him in the\u00a0<strong>exercise of<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>justice<\/strong>, nor is His wisdom lessened;\u00a0for He\u00a0<strong>saves<\/strong>\u00a0those whom He should save, and\u00a0<strong>judges<\/strong>\u00a0those worthy of\u00a0<strong>judgment<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">St. Athanasius explained that God\u2019s <em>\u201cjustice\u201d<\/em> is tempered by His mercy:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>St. Athanasius (296 \u2013 373 AD) \u2013 Letter to Marcellinus<\/strong><br \/>\nAnd when you have yourself\u00a0experienced His power in\u00a0<strong>judgement<\/strong>\u00a0(<strong>for always His\u00a0justice\u00a0is tempered by His\u00a0mercy)<\/strong> the next Psalm [101] will express your need. \u00a0If through the weakness of your nature and the strain of life you find yourself at times downcast and poor, sing for your consolation Psalm 102&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">St. John Chrysostom explained that because God is \u201cjust\u201d, He recompenses to each according to what they deserve:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>St. John Chrysostom (349 \u2013 407 AD) \u2013 Homilies Concerning the Power of Demons<br \/>\n<\/strong>If there is a God, as indeed there is, it follows that\u00a0<strong>He is just,\u00a0<\/strong><strong>for if He is not just neither is He God<\/strong>, and if He is just He recompenses to each according to their desert. But we do not see all here receiving according to their desert. Therefore it is necessary to hope for some other requital awaiting us, in order that by each one receiving according to his desert,\u00a0<strong>the justice of God may be made manifest.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">St. John also explained that if there were no judgment, God would not be \u201cjust\u201d:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>St. John Chrysostom (349 \u2013 407 AD)\u00a0\u2013 Homilies on Colossians<\/strong><br \/>\nFor such is ever the devil\u2019s way; he puts forward everything in a wily, and not in a straightforward manner, to put us on our guard. If there is no\u00a0<strong>Judgment<\/strong>, God is not\u00a0<strong>just<\/strong>\u00a0(I speak as a man):\u00a0<strong>if God is not just<\/strong>, then there is no God at all\u2026Seest\u00a0thou the drift of this satanical argument?\u2026Let us then not be persuaded by him.\u00a0<strong>For there is a Judgment, O wretched and miserable man!<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">St. Basil explained that the pains of hell are the <em>\u201cjust punishment\u201d<\/em> of transgression, since God is both <em>\u201cjust and merciful\u201d<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>St. Basil the Great (330 \u2013 379 AD) \u2013 A Treatise on Baptism<\/strong><br \/>\nLet it be remembered that the\u00a0glory of heaven is a gratuitous supernatural favor: and that\u00a0the pains of hell are the\u00a0<strong>just\u00a0<\/strong><strong>punishment<\/strong>\u00a0of voluntary actual\u00a0transgression\u2026God is\u00a0<strong>just and merciful,<\/strong>\u00a0and if\u00a0His dispensations seem\u00a0<strong>severe<\/strong>, we must nevertheless adore\u00a0them, and await with patience the full manifestation of their\u00a0<strong>justice<\/strong> in the light of glory.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: &#8220;Who kills man? God (because we are guilty before Him)? Or sin?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong>\u00a0 Both. What kills a man who jumps off a cliff? The frailty of his humanity or the law of gravity? If we say the frailty of humanity, did not the law of gravity give power to death on account of the frail humanity? Likewise, the law of death (put in place by God) gives power to death on account of sinful humanity. Thus, those who die on account of sin do not only die as a natural consequence, but also due to the &#8220;guilt&#8221; &#8220;charged&#8221; against them by the law of God:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the <strong>guilt<\/strong> of the parent, nor will the parent share the <strong>guilt<\/strong> of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be <strong>charged against them<\/strong>.&#8221; (Ezekiel 18:20)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The sting of death is sin, and the <strong>power of sin is the law<\/strong> (1 Corinthians 15:56)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0Fear him, which <strong>after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell<\/strong>; yea, I say unto you, Fear him (Luke 12:5)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Thankfully, Christ redeemed (&#8220;ransomed&#8221;) us from the curse of the Law by dying a cursed death on our behalf (Gal 3:13).<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: &#8220;Do we need to be saved from God (His wrath and punishment) or from sin (its results upon our human nature)&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong> Both.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Sinful human nature required renewal. Christ sanctified (&#8220;deified&#8221;) our fallen nature via and His incarnation while the Holy Spirit continually renews our nature to the image of God:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> &#8220;I will give you a <strong>new heart and put a new spirit in you<\/strong>; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh&#8221; (Ezekiel 36:26)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We are also saved from punishment:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><i>&#8220;&#8230;wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead&#8211;Jesus, <\/i><\/span><\/span><strong style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\">who rescues us from the coming wrath&#8221;<\/strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\"> (1 Thes 1:10)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; <strong>but the wrath of God abides on him<\/strong>. (John 3:36)<\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: &#8220;Does the Bible teach that, in order to forgive, God has to punish someone (by causing pain and suffering)?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong> Not exactly, but here is what scripture says:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and <strong>without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness<\/strong>.&#8221; (Hebrews 9:22)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the <strong>blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.<\/strong>&#8221; (Lev 17:11)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In other words, the blood and life of the innocent was offered in order for the guilty to receive forgiveness. Does this not inevitably involve pain and suffering for the sacrifice being offered? For this reason, Christ also suffered for our sake and offered Himself as a sacrifice and &#8220;ransom&#8221; to God for our sins:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For <strong>Christ also suffered once for sins<\/strong>,\u00a0<strong>the righteous for the unrighteous<\/strong>, to bring you to God.\u00a0 (1 Peter 3:18)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For this is\u00a0my\u00a0<strong>blood\u00a0<\/strong>of the\u00a0new covenant, which is\u00a0<strong>shed for many\u00a0for the\u00a0remission\u00a0of sins.<\/strong> (Matthew 26:28)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the <strong>shedding of his blood<\/strong>&#8211;to be received by faith.&#8221; (Romans 3:25)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;Then, since <strong>He is an High Priest<\/strong>, insomuch as He is Man, and, at the same time, brought Himself a <strong>blameless sacrifice <span style=\"color: #000000;\">to God the Father,<\/span><\/strong> <strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">as a ransom<\/span> for the life of all men&#8221; &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>St. Cyril of Alexandria &#8211; On the Gospel According to John, \u00a0Book XI<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: &#8220;How does God ask us to forgive unconditionally, if He does not do the same?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong> This logic is severely flawed. If a father imposes a bed time for his little child, does the father also have to abide by the same rule? God&#8217;s role as judge is inherently different from ours as His children and servants. Will we also judge the world like Him? (We will &#8220;judge&#8221; the world, but not in the same manner that God will do so). As if it were not already obvious, the below scripture makes clear the distinction between our duty to forgive, and God&#8217;s role as judge:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\">&#8220;<strong>Do not take revenge<\/strong>, my dear friends, but <strong>leave room for God&#8217;s wrath<\/strong>, for it is written: &#8220;It is mine to avenge; I will repay,&#8221; says the Lord. (Romans 12:19)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0<\/span>and again:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;what shall we say? <strong>Is God unrighteous who takes vengeance<\/strong>? (I speak as a man). God forbid: for then <strong>how shall God judge the world?<\/strong> (Romans 3:5-6)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question: Doesn&#8217;t the idea that God has to punish sin bind God to necessity?<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:\u00a0<\/strong>This is a logical fallacy and a mischaracterization of Christian doctrine. God doesn&#8217;t &#8220;have to&#8221; punish sin. He &#8220;chooses&#8221; to punish sin as a deterrent for our own good and for the preservation of the truth of His word. Since God made it clear that the wages of sin is death, if the sentence of death is not fulfilled on account of sin, God would be found a liar. God&#8217;s word cannot be broken. This doesn&#8217;t mean that God is &#8220;bound to necessity&#8221;, but that His word is truth.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question:\u00a0 How are we to understand one member of the Trinity (the Father) being wrathful towards another member of the Trinity (the Son), when they are, along with the Holy Spirit, one and the same God? Can God be truly angry with God? Can God actually punish God?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:\u00a0<\/strong> The Father is not &#8220;angry&#8221; with His Only-Begotten nor is there a separation of their wills, nature, or essence. The will of the Triune God is one as God is one. However, God&#8217;s &#8220;wrath&#8221; is against sin and not against Himself. Appropriating our humanity (though He was without sin), Christ <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">willingly<\/span><\/em> bore our sins and the consequent debt for our sins, which is the curse of the law and sentence of death. He did so, in order to free us from both:<span style=\"color: #6f6f6f; font-style: italic;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;<strong>He himself bore our sins<\/strong>\u201d in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; \u201cby his wounds you have been healed.\u201d (1 Peter 2:24)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-style: italic;\">&#8220;Christ redeemed us from the<strong> curse of the law by becoming a curse for us<\/strong>, for it is written: &#8220;Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.&#8221; (Galatians 3:13)\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>He in our stead paid our debts<\/strong>: He bore our sins; and as it is written, &#8220;<strong>in our stead He was stricken.<\/strong>&#8221; &#8220;He took them up in His own body on the tree:&#8221; for it is true that &#8220;by His bruises we are healed.&#8221; &#8211;\u00a0St. Cyril of Alexandria (378 &#8211; 444 AD) &#8211; Commentary on the Gospel of St. Luke<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In other words, God annulled His own sentence via the condemnation of the the sinless Christ:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For this reason the action of Him who had pronounced\u00a0sentence\u00a0became necessary, that He might <strong>by His own act\u00a0annul His own sentence<\/strong>, after He [Christ] had been seen in the <strong>form of\u00a0him that was condemned<\/strong>, but in that form <strong>as\u00a0uncondemned and sinless<\/strong>&#8221; &#8211; St. Athanasius,\u00a0Contra Apollinarium)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;He gave himself a ransom,\u201d he saith, how then was <strong>He delivered up by the Father<\/strong>? Because it was of His goodness. And what means \u201cransom\u201d? <strong>God was about to punish them, but He forbore to do it. They were about to perish, but in their stead He gave His own Son<\/strong>, and sent us as heralds to proclaim the Cross. &#8211;\u00a0St. John Chrysostom (349 &#8211; 407 AD) &#8211; Homily on Timothy<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Question:<\/strong> <strong>How is it that &#8220;God is love&#8221; but also requires sacrifices for sins? What are we to make of all the instances in the Bible where God forgives people without demanding a sacrifice (e.g. the prodigal son)?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Answer:\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0This is a false dichotomy; the law of sacrifices did not contradict God&#8217;s love. God didn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; reparation or offering for sin. God was not pleased with Old Testament Sacrifices as they could not forgive sin. It is humanity that needed sin offerings in order to not take sin for granted, despise God, and die as a result. These sacrifices were also a type and shadow of Christ&#8217;s true sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, with which God <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">was<\/span>\u00a0<\/em>well\u00a0pleased. Thus, sacrifices were for humanity&#8217;s benefit and not for God&#8217;s. Nevertheless, scripture makes clear that an offering for sin was a prerequisite for a sinner to receive forgiveness.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;And he shall bring for his transgressions against the Lord, for his sin which he has sinned, a ewe lamb of the flock, or a kid of the goats, <strong>for a sin-offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin<\/strong> which he has sinned, and <strong>his sin shall be forgiven him<\/strong>.&#8221;(Leviticus 5:6)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and <strong>without shedding of blood is no remission<\/strong>. (Hebrews 9:22)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Without the shedding of blood there is no remission. Old Testament sacrifices could not truly remit sins. God did not punish and forgave sinners in the Old Testament who repented and offered sin\/guilt offerings\u00a0 because it was all Old Testament sinners had to offer. However, such sacrifices were a type and shadow of the true Sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sins:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">God presented Christ as a <strong>sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood<\/strong>\u2014to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had <strong>left the sins committed beforehand unpunished\u2014<\/strong> he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:25-26)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In summary, God &#8220;forgave&#8221; in the Old Testament. Actual remission of all (Old and New Testament sins) was attained through the blood of Christ in the New Testament.\u00a0Regarding the Prodigal Son, one parable alone doesn&#8217;t (and wasn&#8217;t intended) to explain all the dimensions of God&#8217;s truth. We must consider all the parables. Nevertheless, St. Cyril of Alexandria explained that the fatted\u00a0calf slain in the parable of the Prodigal symbolized Christ. Thus, even forgiveness of the Prodigal Son was still not without an offering (sacrifice) for sin:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;<strong>For whether we call it calf or kid, Christ is to be understood as the sacrifice offered for sin<\/strong>. But He was sacrificed, not for the Gentiles only, but that He might also redeem Israel, who by reason of his frequent transgression of the law had brought upon himself great blame.&#8221; &#8211; St. Cyril of Alexandria (Commentary on Luke)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Therefore modern soteriology that denies God&#8217;s punishment for sin and purports to be &#8220;Orthodox&#8221; is not Orthodox at all, but is a form of Neo-Marcionism. 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